Beauty can’t be a cudgel or a shield #arthistory #history | Artlust

Margaret Hoover asks Ken Burns whether negative history can, as President Trump put it, “foster national shame.” “The question is, what kind of use do you put to the word shame?” says Ken Burns. “Do you use the word shame as a cudgel, do you use it as a weapon or….use it as a tool for learning.” Check out Margaret Hoover’s new interview on PBS, YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. | Firing Line with Margaret Hoover